Children of Mana Discussion thread *Spoilers Inside*

[Kassidy]

Hey Sheexy, if you get a moment, do you think you could check the Level Requirements for a couple of the weapons listed on the guide I sent you and see if the numbers come up the same for your character? I have a funny feeling that the level requirements vary depending on te character you choose, in which case I'm going to have to do some serious overhaul.

[Dr. Sheexy]

Snap, these numbers are different for Ferrick and the stuff you have. It varies from one to two points of difference.
Also, I seem to have a ton of swords that your list doesn't mention. Think there are character only weapons? I don't remember ever finding a Viper Hammer.

EDIT:

Sweet, I just realized there are black enemies. They seriously give you like 1000 exp for killing them, I've gone up a level or two every time I kill them! I went from level 62 to level 68 in a matter of four black enemy kills!
They're usually located right around the concentration of rare treasures in certain dungeon rooms, so far I've only seen black crabs in Topple.

[Kassidy]

There are character only weapons. For example, the Artemis' Bow can only be equiped by Tumble and is a reward for getting Gold Rank at Brightwood. The other weapons for Gold Rank can't be equiped. And silly me I didn't make a note of them, but I do know that there was a weapon of each type.

Looks like I will have to modify the layout to represent these different stats across the characters... le sigh. I may need to ask for assistance on this one, I feel.

[Lotus]

I am playing with Wanderer, though I am partially finished I may be able to get some of the information you need. Let me know what you are looking for.

[Kassidy]

Well, below are the details as I have them so far, so if anyone can fill in any blanks it would be greatly appreciated.


[SWORDS] Swords

1. Short Sword - ATK 32 - Free - A small sword used for practice
LevelReq - Flick:1 Tumble:1 Pop:1 Wanderer:1
2. Bronze Sword - ATK 38 - 150L - A common sword wrought of bronze
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:5 Pop: Wanderer:
3. Iron Sword - ATK 47 - 500L - A thin, versatile sword made of iron
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:8 Pop: Wanderer:
4. Broadsword - ATK 53 - 1000L - A sword with an unusually wide blade.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:11 Pop: Wanderer:
5. Long Sword - ATK 59 - 1400L - A sword with an extremely long blade.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:14 Pop: Wanderer:
6. Saber - ATK 66 - - A curved sword wielded in one hand.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:18 Pop: Wanderer:
7. Steel Sword - ATK 72 - 2000L - A simple yet sturdy sword of steel
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:21 Pop: Wanderer:
8. Falchion - ATK 78 - 2300L - A sword able to split a foe in two
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:24 Pop: Wanderer:
9. Bastard Sword - ATK 83 - 2500L - A balanced blade with a long handle
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:26 Pop: Wanderer:
10. Estoc - ATK 89 - 3200L - A pointed blade chiefly for thrusting.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:29 Pop: Wanderer:
11. Flamberge - ATK 95 - 4000L - A large sword with a curved blade.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:32 Pop: Wanderer:
12. Muramasa Blade - ATK 100 - GoldRank at Brightwood - A steel sword forged by
a master. Only Flick can equip.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:N/A Pop:N/A Wanderer:N/A
13. Winged Sword - ATK 106 - 5000L - A light sword decorated with wings.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:38 Pop: Wanderer:
14. Silver Blade - ATK 114 - 6000L - A sharp sword wrought of fine silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:42 Pop: Wanderer:
15. Shamshir - ATK 125 - 7500L - A beautiful sword with a curved blade.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:47 Pop: Wanderer:
16. Mythril Sword - ATK 133 - 8500L - A sword wrought of magical mythril.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:51 Pop: Wanderer:
17. Diamond Sword - ATK 144 - 12500L - A sword made with a blade of diamond.
LevelReq - Flick:54 Tumble:56 Pop: Wanderer:
18. Dragon Sword - ATK 153 - 25000L - A sword crafter from a dragon's scale.
LevelReq - Flick:58 Tumble:60 Pop: Wanderer:

[FLAILS] Flails

1. Light Flail - ATK 49 - Free - A lightweight flail with a small head
LevelReq - Flick:1 Tumble:1 Pop:1 Wanderer:1
2. Wood Flail - ATK 60 - 1000L - A flail with a wooden head at the end.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:10 Pop: Wanderer:
3. Spiked Flail - ATK 68 - 1400L - A flail dotted with many sharp thorns.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:15 Pop: Wanderer:
4. Chain Flail - ATK 75 - 1800L - A flail of solid interlocking rings.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:19 Pop: Wanderer:
5. Steel Flail - ATK 82 - 2000L - A flail with a steel head at the end.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:22 Pop: Wanderer:
6. Ball and Chain - ATK 89 - 2300L - A flail with a metal ball at the end.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:25 Pop: Wanderer:
7. Heavy Flail - ATK 94 - 2500L - A flail sporting a heavy metal head.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:27 Pop: Wanderer:
8. Morning Star - ATK 101 - 3200L - A unique flail with a star-shaped head.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble: Pop: Wanderer:
9. Bonecrusher - ATK 110 - 4000L - Amighty flail able to penetrate armor.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:33 Pop: Wanderer:
10. Scorpion - ATK 114 - GoldRank at Brightwood - A flail with a sharp wedged
head. - Only Pop can equip
LevelReq - Flick:N/A Tumble:N/A Pop: Wanderer:N/A
11. Runic Flail - ATK 120 - 5000L - A flail engraved with strange glyphs.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:39 Pop: Wanderer:
12. Silver Flail - ATK 130 - 6000L - A reliable flail made of finest silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:43 Pop: Wanderer:
13. Holy Flail - ATK 142 - 7500L - A flail tempered in holy water.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:48 Pop: Wanderer:
14. Mythril Flail - ATK 151 - 8500L - A flail made of magical mythril silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:52 Pop: Wanderer:
15. Diamond Flail - ATK 163 - 12500 - A flail made of mardest diamonds.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:57 Pop: Wanderer:
16. Dragon Flail - ATK 172 - 25000L - A flail formed from a dragon's scale.
LevelReq - Flick:59 Tumble:61 Pop: Wanderer:


[BOWS] Bow and Arrow

1. Short Bow - ATK 52 - Free - A small bow, light and easy to use.
LevelReq - Flick:1 Tumble:1 Pop:1 Wanderer:1
2. Iron Bow - ATK 58 - 1800L - A thin, versatile bow made of iron.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:17 Pop: Wanderer:
3. Steel Bow - ATK 63 - 2000L - A simple yet sturdy bow of steel.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:23 Pop: Wanderer:
4. Ankh Bow - ATK 69 - 2300L - A bow shaped like a hieroglyph.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:26 Pop: Wanderer:
5. Longbow - ATK 72 - 2500L - A tall bow made for powerful arrows.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:28 Pop: Wanderer:
6. Marble Bow - ATK 78 - 3200L - A bow delicately chiseled from marble.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:31 Pop: Wanderer:
7. Great Bow - ATK 83 - 4000L - A master crafted this bow for accuracy.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:34 Pop: Wanderer:
8. Artemis' Bow - ATK 88 - GoldRank at Brightwood - A bow only skilled hunters
can use. - Only Tumble (Lv29) can equip.
LevelReq - Flick:N/A Tumble:29 Pop:N/A Wanderer:N/A
9. Winged Bow - ATK 92 - 5000L - A bow hailed as a masterpiece.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:40 Pop: Wanderer:
10. Silver Bow - ATK 100 - 6000L - A reliable bow made of finest silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:44 Pop: Wanderer:
11. Ivory Bow - ATK 109 - 7500L - A beautiful bow carved from ivory.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:49 Pop: Wanderer:
12. Elven Bow - ATK 112 - Tess Subquest - A bow once owned by an elven knight.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:44 Pop: Wanderer:
13. Mythril Bow - ATK 116 - 8500L - A bow made of magical mythril silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:53 Pop: Wanderer:
14. Diamond Bow - ATK 126 - 12500L - A bow made of hardest diamonds.
LevelReq - Flick:56 Tumble:58 Pop: Wanderer:
15. Dragon Bow - ATK 133 - 25000L - A bow formed from a dragon's scale.
LevelReq - Flick:60 Tumble:62 Pop: Wanderer:

[HAMMERS] Hammers

1. Mallet - ATK 82 - Free - A small and versatile hammer.
LevelReq - Flick:1 Tumble:1 Pop:1 Wanderer:1
2. Steel Hammer - ATK89 - 2300L - A strong hammer made of steel.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:23 Pop: Wanderer:
3. Smith's Hammer - ATK 94 - 2500L - A large hammer used by blacksmiths.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:29 Pop: Wanderer:
4. Magical Hammer - ATK 101 - 3200L - A mysterious hammer made by a mage.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:32 Pop: Wanderer:
5. War Hammer - ATK 108 - 4000L - This hammer looks ready for battle.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:35 Pop: Wanderer:
6. Viper Hammer - ATK 111 - GoldRank at Brightwood - A hammer adorned with
sharp spikes - Only Wanderer can equip
LevelReq - Flick:N/A Tumble:N/A Pop:N/A Wanderer:
7. Great Hammer - ATK 115 - 5000L - A huge hammer, powerful and heavy.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:41 Pop: Wanderer:
8. Silver Hammer - ATK 130 - 6000L - A solid hammer made of finest silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:45 Pop: Wanderer:
9. Ivory Hammer - ATK 142 - 7500L - A beautiful hammer carved from ivory.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:50 Pop: Wanderer:
10. Mythril Hammer - ATK 151 - 8500L - A hammer of magical mythril silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:54 Pop: Wanderer:
11. Diamond Hammer - ATK 163 - 12500L - A hammer made of hardest diamonds.
LevelReq - Flick:57 Tumble:59 Pop: Wanderer:
12. Dragon Hammer - ATK 172 - A hammer made from a dragon's scale.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:63 Pop: Wanderer:
13. Altena Hammer - ATK 195 - ?????L - ?Description?
LevelReq - Flick:65 Tumble: Pop: Wanderer:

[ARMOURS] Armours and Robes

Some armours require a certain character to equip them. Flick and Wanderer
equip thea heavier armors while Tumble and Pop use the lighter robes.

1. Cotton Kilt - DEF 29 - Free -
LevelReq - Tumble:1 Pop:1
2. Felt Robe - DEF 33 - 150L - A robe made of thickly layered felt.
LevelReq - Tumble:3 Pop:
3. Leather Armor - DEF 34 - 150L - Armor made of multilayered leather.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
4. Hemp Robe - DEF 39 - 500L - A robe constructed of flax fibers.
LevelReq - Tumble:7 Pop:
5. Lamellar Armor - DEF 41 - 500L - Metal armor bound by leather laces.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
6. Silk Robe - DEF 46 - 1000L - A robe sewn with magical silk thread.
LevelReq - Tumble:10 Pop:
7. Banded Armor - DEF 49 - 1000L - Armor reinforced by metal strips.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
8. Spark Robe - DEF 53 - 1400L - A robe made of cloth as light as wind.
LevelReq - Tumble:13 Pop:
9. Chain Mail - DEF 56 - 1400L - Armor of interlocking metal hoops
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
10. Leather Robe - DEF 60 - 1800L - A robe made of many leather strips.
LevelReq - Tumble:16 Pop:
11. Scale Mail - DEF 63 - 1800L - Armor of small layered metal plates.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
12. Shell Robe - DEF 66 - 2000L - A sturdy robe woven with shells.
LevelReq - Tumble:19 Pop:
13. Steel Armor - DEF 70 - 2000L - A simple yet sturdy suit of steel.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
14. Scale Robe - DEF 73 - 2300L - A sturdy robe woven with scales.
LevelReq - Tumble:22 Pop:
15. Swordman's Vest - DEF 77 - 2300L - Body armor refined by an alchemist.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
16. Ebony Robe - DEF 80 - 2500L - A robe made with ebony tree thread.
LevelReq - Tumble:25 Pop:
17. Magic Plate - DEF 84 - 2500L - Plated armour strengthened by magic.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
18. Ash Robe - DEF 86 - 3200L - A robe made with ash tree thread.
LevelReq - Tumble:28 Pop:
19. Knight's Armor - DEF 91 - 3200L - Armor worn only by brave knights.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
20. Dion Robe - DEF 93 - 4000L - A robe made with dios tree thread.
LevelReq - Tumble:31 Pop:
21. Dark Armor - DEF 98 - 4000L - Magic armor that emits a black aura.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
22. Magical Robe - DEF 104 - 5000L - A robe enhanced by a protective spell.
LevelReq - Tumble: Pop:
23. Winged Armor - DEF 110 - 5000L - Armor adorned with winged shoulders.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
24. Silver Robe - DEF 113 - 6000L - A robe sewn with pure silver thread.
LevelReq - Tumble:40 Pop:
25. Silver Armor - DEF 119 - 6000L - Effective armor made of finest silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
26. Bunny Dress - DEF 120 - Subquest - A charming dress with a rabbit's tail.
LevelReq - Tumble:44 Pop:
26. Jet Black Robe - DEF 124 - 7500L - An evil robe made of black silk.
LevelReq - Tumble:45 Pop:
27. Gold Armor - DEF 131 - 7500L - Armor that gleams with a holy light.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
28. Pure White Robe - DEF 133 - 8500L - A robe of white silk and mythril cloth.
LevelReq - Tumble:49 Pop:
27. Mythril Armor - DEF 140 - 8500L - Armor wrought of magical mythril.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
28. Holly Robe - DEF 144 - 12500L - A robe of unsurpassed quality.
LevelReq - Tumble: Pop:
29. Diamond Armor - DEF 152 - 12500L - Armor crafted from diamonds.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:
30. Dragon Robe - DEF 153 - 25000L - A robe sewn from a dragon's hide.
LevelReq - Tumble:60 Pop:
31. Dragon Armor - DEF 161 - 25000L - Armor wrought of dragon scales.
LevelReq - Flick: Wanderer:

[ACCESSORIES] Accessories

1. Bead Ring - INT 32 - Free - A child's ring set with a glass bead
LevelReq - Flick:1 Tumble:1 Pop:1 Wanderer:1
2. Jeweled Ring - INT 39 - 150L - A ring with a jewel of limited power.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:4 Pop: Wanderer:
3. Sensory Ring - INT 46 - 500L - A ring able to enhance the 5 senses.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:8 Pop: Wanderer:
4. Moonstone Tiara - INT 50 - Subquest - A tiara colored by rays of moonlight.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:4 Pop: Wanderer:
5. Ring of Memory - INT 54 - 1000L - A ring containing a mage's memories.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:11 Pop: Wanderer:
6. Beholder Ring - INT 61 - 1400L - A ring set with a stone like an eye.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:14 Pop: Wanderer:
7. Ring of Radiance - INT 68 - 1800L - A pearl ring that reflects pure light.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:17 Pop: Wanderer:
8. Ring of Gloom - INT 75 - 2000L - A black pearl ring with shady patches.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:20 Pop: Wanderer:
9. Giant's Ring - INT 82 - 2300L - A ring thought to hold a giant's power.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:23 Pop: Wanderer:
10. Demon Ring - INT 89 - 2500L - A creepy ring with monster carvings.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:25 Pop: Wanderer:
11. Ring of the Tree - INT 96 - 3200L - A ring woven from ancient tree vines.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:28 Pop: Wanderer:
12. Dryad's Ring - INT 103 - 4000L - A ring set with a seed from an old tree.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:31 Pop: Wanderer:
13. Ancient Ring - INT 112 - 5000L - A ring engraved with forgotten spells.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:36 Pop: Wanderer:
14. Shimmering Ring - INT 124 - 6000L - A gold ring that shines brilliantly.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:40 Pop: Wanderer:
15. Soul Ring - INT 134 - 7500L - A ring that reveals its owner's soul.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:45 Pop: Wanderer:
16. Mythril Ring - INT 145 - 8500L - A ring made of magical mythril silver.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:49 Pop: Wanderer:
17. Elemental Ring - INT 159 - 12500L - A rind empowered by spirits' magic.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble: Pop: Wanderer:
18. Dragonfang Ring - INT 168 - 25000L - A ring honed from a dragon's tooth.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:58 Pop: Wanderer:

[Kassidy]

Sweet, I just realized there are black enemies. They seriously give you like 1000 exp for killing them, I've gone up a level or two every time I kill them! I went from level 62 to level 68 in a matter of four black enemy kills!
They're usually located right around the concentration of rare treasures in certain dungeon rooms, so far I've only seen black crabs in Topple.

Now THAT'S interesting, I haven't seen those yet. Is this on subquests? And I'm guessing this may also be after the game is beaten once, or was it before you completed the main storyline?

[Dr. Sheexy]

This was after I completed the storyline. I've only seen it in Topple, but I haven't checked anywhere else. I saw them during Sea Moon's quest, but I'm sure they'll pop up during Dud Service quests too. I'm gonna check out other places.

Here is the info for Ferrik's levels for the weapons I've got.

Swords:
Falchion- 23
Sliver Blade- 40
Shamshir- 45
Balmung- 40 (ATK 133, A sword wrought of magic mythril)
Mythril- 49
Diamond- 54
Dragon- 58

Flails:
Silver- 41
Mythril- 50
Diamond- 55
Dragon- 59

Bows:
Silver- 42
Mythril- 51
Diamond- 56
Dragon- 60

Hammers:
Silver- 43
Ivory- 48
Mythril- 52
Diamond- 57
Dragon- 61

Armor:
Silver- 40
Gold- 45
Mani's Plate- 44 (Treasure from Sea Moon 135 [Plated mail strenghthened by moonlight])
Mythril Armor- 49
Diamond- 54
Elven Plate- 53 (157 Plated mail forged by an elven smith)
Dragon- 60
Crystal- 66 (Armor imbued with mystic power)
Crystal robe gives 164 defense.

Ring things:
Shimmering- 24
Soul- 47
Mythril- 51
Elemental- 56
Dragonfang- 60
Crystal- 65

[Kassidy]

Fabulous, Sheexy, that's a great help! Is Mani's Plate the one that you get from the tossing Seamoon's earring back into the Lake? And where did the Elven Plate come from?

Also, can you double check the Balmung details, as they seem to be the same as the Mythril Sword ones minus the levelreq

[Dr. Sheexy]

Yeah, Mani's plate is from the earring mission, and I've got no idea where the Elven Plate came from...

Whoops, screwed up on Balmung:

130 Atk. The favorite sword of a fallen hero.

It was some weapon I got to choose after I got a gold rank... I got gipped.

Oh right, the item from the shadow people. It was Ferrik's parents that were in the shadow, and they left a toy horse.

After talking to Watts Ferrik learns that his dad and sister would make fun of him for playing with the horse, and he would cry and run to his mom. Ferrik felt sad that he was such a crybaby when he was little, but Watts makes him feel better by mentioning how grown up and what a hero he is. Then Ferrik magically feels that he can go see his parents in Wendel, so he goes there.

After fighting and junk in Wendel he finds the shadows walking around, and they tell him what a good son and brother he was, then they leave and give him a gem:

Light on a Boy- 1x1 Red fancy looking one, Sword ATK +20, Def and Dex + 10






Oh yeah, when you get blinded by enemies, there is always the small area you can see right around you, does anyone else see some lines going off from the center in four directions (up, down, left, right) where you can still kinda see what is in the distance?

[Lotus]

Yes, also certain monsters show up a bit occasionally, as well as if you hit them they tend to blink partially into view.

[Kassidy]

Thanks for even more info Sheexy. I think I'll make my next playthrough Pop.

Also I've noticed the black lines, and they appear when switching character avatars during conversations with Treant and Gaia. I think it has something to do with the transparency layers not being set or refreshed correctly, but it is a bug from the Japanese version.

[Kassidy]

20. Excalibur - ATK 170 - Chest? - A fabled blade only the brave may bear.
LevelReq - Flick: Tumble:64 Pop: Wanderer:

Cool...



Well, that's the game completed for me at least. Done the main storyline, all the subquests, now I just have to go through and get all the details that I'm missing from the lists, and maybe max out my main character to level 99 with all gems and all that cack. I wonder if anything else happens in the game after that... I'm left feeling like there should be more...

[rrfish]

So for those of you have played CoM, what did you think? I am debating buying it, but I am not one for dungeon crawlers. Is it worth the price? How is the storyline? Does it keep you involved(unlike SwoM...dammit!)?

[Dr. Sheexy]

Personally I'd buy it because the fighting system is so insanely awesome.

Yeah, it's a dungeon crawl and the story isn't the best, but once you start fighting enemies in it you'll get addicted.

Everything causes chain reactions! You slam one enemy and he'll fly and hit a wall and bounce off, maybe he'll hit another enemy on the way, or a trap? Who knows! You do if you do it just right!
Slam the enemies into a pit of spikes, or use them like pinballs. The fighting is just so awesome!

You also duel wield weapons which is pretty cool.


Personally, I think I'm gonna be playing this for weeks and weeks to come just because it is so easy to pick up and just start bashing stuff. It's super fun!

Even my friends who never play videogames got addicted to smashing stuff around.

JOIN IN THE SMASHING, YEAH!!!

[The J Person]

Ooh, Smashing.
... just out of curiosity, there aren't any, umm.... Chibikkos in this one, are there?